A transcript in English of the interview of dr. med pathologist Ute Krüger (UK)
by Dr. Jeanne Rungby, MD. ENT. (JR)
September 22, 2024
JR: Hello out there.
The World Council for Health Denmark has the privilege of interviewing pathologist Ute Krüger, as she and Professor Walther Lang have just published a Histopathological Atlas on the Covid-19 shots.
Such an interview is a big honor is for us, because it is a historical work and the first of its kind.
For those of you, who are not familiar with the medical terms, Pathologists are doctors who specialize in examining tissue samples under the microscope and diagnosing diseases in living patients. These diagnoses form the basis for further treatment of the patient. Pathologists also examine the deceased, their organs and study tissue samples under the microscope to determine the cause of death.
Ute Krüger, who has worked as a pathologist in Sweden, and Professor WalterLang, Germany have just published this histopathological Atlas of Corona-vaccine deaths.
Tissue samples from dead and living people with suspected vaccine damage after Covid-19 vaccines were examined with special staining methods, one of them called immunohistochemistry, at the Pathological Institute in Reutlingen.
This institute was started by Professor - now deceased - Arne Burkhardt together with other dedicated employees. Professor Walter Lang joined a few months later.
The histopathological Atlas is completely unique, because the findings have never previous been presented in book form.
The characteristic findings described in the tissue injuries after the Corona vaccines can be summarized in a group of characteristics, which together are typical for vaccine injuries after mRNA injections, as I have understood.
Ute Krüger will guide us through these characteristic signs.
I (Jeanne Rungby) am a specialized physician in Ear-, Nose – and Throat Diseases.
I have a special interest in this subject, because I have had patients with vaccine adverse events, whose specimens have been examined at the Institute of pathology in Reutlingen, Germany.
Dear Ute. I know that you have significant expertise in breast cancer research. In 2022, I saw an interview with you where you expressed great concern because you observed several cases of rapidly growing breast cancer in increasingly younger patients. Could you tell us a bit about yourself and your background?
UK: Thank you. I have studied as a doctor at Humboldt University in Berlin and wrote my doctoral dissertation there in 1997.
I had then gone through just under 7500 autopsies for quality measuring. I trained as a specialist physician in pathology in Germany and came to Sweden almost 20 years ago. For 10 years, I have worked as a senior consultant at the central hospital in Växjö.
The last four years I worked there; I was also a medical director doctor in pathology. After that, for eight years, I worked as a consultant in Kalmar County Hospital at the Department of Clinical Pathology.
At the same time, I also worked at the university in Lund, where I did research in breast cancer.
In the period from 2014 to 2019 I also sat on the board of directors of the pathologist association, where I wanted to help improve the quality of pathology, i.e. quality is very important.
So, I've worked for 25 years in pathology and for the past 18 years I have mainly worked on diagnosing.
I am specialized in diagnosing breast cancer.
JR: Wow. You have huge experience. I'm impressed, and it is very reassuring to know, that quality has had high priority for you, as it is very important. I sense that it lies close to your heart.
What led you to write this atlas? As I understand, you did not work in Reutlingen.
UK: No, that's right. I got to know Professor Arne Burkhardt at a pathologist conference in Berlin. It was, as I recall, in the summer 2021, when I saw his presentation. He had shown for the first time, his investigation of cases of patients, who had died in connection with these injections against covid-19.
He said that interested colleagues were welcome to get in touch to discuss the cases, especially, if they thought his findings was not completely convincing.
And since I am curious, I contacted Professor Arne Burkhardt. I thought that the pictures weren’t entirely convincing. We discussed these cases through a video meeting. It was a great conversation and now I also saw the changes. In the conference screen, sometimes you can't really see the details.
That was a very good experience. We had a lot of contact afterwards and there was a collaboration, thus we met at quite a lot of symposia or conferences, where we both gave lectures. Hereafter we worked together.
The last time we talked, it was about the importance of getting his work out into the world, when we were at a conference in Stockholm. It was a large conference with more than 1000 participants in January 2023
JR: Yes, I remember that conference. I was there as well.
UK: Okay. well. Then Arne died suddenly in May 2023. I was very shocked and worried about, what would happen to his work.
I Wrote in his condolence book, that I would do everything to get his findings out into the world, so that it would not end up in a desk drawer somewhere.
That's why I'm involved in this atlas, because it's of giant importance, that it comes out to the world.
JR: The title of the atlas is "Vaccinated – Dead." How many deceased individuals were examined, and how many of those did you select to include in the book?
Perhaps you can show us the book?
UK: Yes, absolutely. Here is the book. I don't know if you see it.
(Ute is showing the book)
JR: Yes, I see it, and it's in German - titled “Geimpft – Gestorben”
UK: In Reutlingen, 89 deceased people were investigated by Professor Anne Burkhardt and Professor Walther Lang. In this book includes 57 case descriptions.
We selected the cases where the next of kin had given permission for publication.
Most cases, that show a connection between the shots against COVID-19 and the deaths, are included in the book.
JR: Which vaccines did they get before they died?
UK: They had Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson, AstraZeneca and Jansen, but the majority were injected with the Pfizer vaccine.
The cases included in this book have been examined until June 2023. Those included in the book had been given one to four injections.
JR: Do you know what prompted Arne Burkhardt and Walter Lang to start these examinations?
UK: They investigated people, who died after the covid-19 shots. Relatives to these deceased, who wanted answers to their questions, approached them.
The idea of doing a greater investigation came up between a lawyer in Germany, Elmar Becker, and Arne Burkhardt.
They started it all up after the first pathologist conference. Material was then sent from different pathologist departments and even from forensic medicine departments in all of Europe.
JR: How old were the deceased individuals when they died?
UK: Well, It's quite wide. The youngest was a girl of 16 years and the oldest was 94 years old .
JR: As I understand it, signs of inflammation can be seen in both small and large blood vessels. What exactly is inflammation?
UK: Inflammation is the body's defense against harmful factors such as foreign organisms or it can also be mechanical damage. That’s, the way the body get rid of these damaging factors and start the healing process.
After these injections, what happens is, that the mRNA changes the gene code in the body cells. That means that initially healthy cells will start producing the spike protein and then they will present the spike protein at the cell surface. Hereafter come the other immune cells in the body and identify the spike protein on the cell surface as something that should not be there, - as a harmful factor, that should be removed.
The immune cells attack the healthy cells, that presented the spike protein on their surface. It a so-called autoimmune reaction. If this happens for example, in the blood vessels, then they can burst, and it can also induce blood clots.
JR: A good description, thank you. Could you show some slides with microscopic images of this reaction in the tissue? And what was the most common findings in the tissues from these dead people?
UK: In general, it was not organ specific changes. The findings were in the whole body. The more injections the bigger injuries. I can show you images.
I can share my screen (First slide comes up on screen).
Here we have a picture with an inflammation of the Aorta i.e. the largest blood vessel in the body.
In almost 90% of cases, there was inflammation of vessels, not all in Aorta, but in vessels in general.
This case was a 61-year-old man who died 25 days after second shot against COVID-19. Here you can see inflammation in the wall of Aorta. The wall is very thickened.
It’s the muscular part below. The tissue above (Broad arrow) is very thickened. You can see bound shaped infiltrates, shown by these dark dots. These are inflammatory cells. They have a slightly blue color.
You see, the tissue is a little bit loosened in the muscular part of the Aorta wall, that show necrosis (dead tissue) in the muscular layer below.
There are vessel-proliferation (new vessels are formed) like here (little arrow). You can see small round structures with a red color (blood cells) inside. They are small blood vessels.
The elasticity of the wall is damaged, thus the vessel-wall cracks.
The cause of death was a ruptured aorta. He bled to death.
In more than 50% of the cases we saw inflammation in the heart.
(Second slide comes up on screen)
If you look at the next slide, you see heart muscle.
This is a tragic case of a 16-year-old Girl. She was going to accompany her classmates on a trip. She had to take this vaccine for joining the class trip. The mother, who in worked in healthcare, advised her not to take the vaccine. She said “no, don't take it It's not good” But she also understood her daughter, who wanted to go with the others. The daughter didn't want to be outside and finally the mother accepted and said Okay. She got two injections. Eight days after the second injection she felt bad. She collapsed at the kitchen table. The mother and relived her and then she was brought to the hospital. Nevertheless, she died 22 days after the second injection.
So, she didn't make it, and you can see here in the heart, where the stars are placed, the color is a little bit brighter, than other parts.
The tissue, the heart muscles cells, have dissolved. There is no heart muscle left because of inflammation. You see a bleeding here too with the arrow (Arrow upper left).
In many places of her heart, it looked like this. It is not compatible with life.
I have one more picture here, where you can see a little closer.
(third slide comes up)
In the upper part, in a greater magnification, you can see, that the heart muscle cells are dissolved. In the lover part you see some still remaining heart muscle cells, the bigger round shapes.
In the same area you see these little dots on the arrows. These are lymphocytes and they have nothing to do here. This shows myocarditis.
JR: Lymphocytes are immune cells that infiltrate the tissue.
UK: Exactly, yes. They are destroying the cells, in this case the heart muscle cells.
JR: Are other organs implicated with the same changes?
UK: Well. It all depends on the material, that Arne Burkhardt and Walter Lang received from other institutes. They couldn't choose specimens, like if it was their own firsthand autopsy. They could only do a post-review secondhand investigation on the available material.
Sometimes it was just a single object. Sometimes they only received three specimens from the heart, nothing else, from the deceased. That makes it hard to judge the changes in the whole body.
They have done their very best under the circumstances.
Look. We have here for example another picture of the heart.
(Fourth slide comes up)
Here you see a vessel, which is quite sharply delineated. Inside the vessel, in the middle, you can see that something has happened. I hope you can see it.
JR: Yes, I can see these elongated bluish cores floating inside the vessel. Are they the lining cells of the vessel-wall, that have loosened.
UK: Yes, they are the lining cells of the vessel that have been detached. This means that the vessel is no longer smooth on the inside, thus blood clots can occur. This can give a heart attack. Therefore, it’s important as a pathologist, when you see a heart attack, that you look for these changes.
You must investigate the history of the diseased. Did he or she receive the injection against COVID-19, then you must take a closer look at the vessels.
The main problem is that in most cases with a blood clot in the heart, the pathologist doesn’t go looking for other pathologies. They can already see with their eyes, that it is a heart attack. They don’t look further for a reason. They don't examine anything under a microscope.
And it is very important to think differently, to take a look for inflammation of the vessel wall, for instance with the aorta.
If you have a deceased who has a cracked aorta and too much bleeding, then you must take a microscopic look at the vessel wall to see if there are signs of inflammation. Then this is the cause of death. It’s not just a tiny media degeneration, meaning a week muscle in the aorta.
You must look for inflammation. If you don’t, it cannot be proven that it's connected. So, it's pretty important.
Apart from the heart, the spleen also had similar findings.
(Fifth slide comes up)
Here you see a vessel.
In this area where the arrow is pointing, there is a lymph follicle. Lymphatic tissue has broken into the vessel. This is unusual.
They also had samples from the liver.
(sixth slide comes up)
Here you can see a part of the liver.
The dark dots in the middle are lymphocytes, i.e. immune cells, that should not be here They have nothing to do there.
There is an inflammation of the liver. In the middle it's a vessel. There are a few dark dots, the lymphocytes, spread out in the liver.
They have also looked at brain tissue.
(Seventh slide comes up)
This was not a deceased person.
It was a living patient, who had multiple problems, so they took a brain biopsy.
If you look up here (upper left corner), it's a vessel filled with something, that looks like a blood clot.
In the upper surroundings there is fresh bleeds, where you see a little more reddish.
In the lower part, there is swelling, edema, of the tissue.
In the circle you see a small vessel and dark dots surrounding the vessel wall. Again, inflammation of the vessels.
They also had samples of lung tissue.
(Eighth slide comes up)
I will give an example of strange deposits in the vessels. Here you see the smallest vessels in the lung. See these black changes in the vessels. You also see that the blood stasis, (blood leaked out into the tissue).
There is quite a lot of blood stasis here and quite a lot of blood in the air-filled spaces of the lung. But, in these small vessels we find deposits of material, that haven't been seen before.
They observed this material in all organs including skeletal muscle. We don't really know what it is.
We think the body forms this material. We don’t think, it is some kind of foreign material from outside the body. But, we don't know, what it is. We have seen it quite often in all organs in these cases.
JR: Have you used a certain dyeing method to get this dark-brown color? Is it immune histochemical dye?
UK: They have used two different Immune histochemical coloring methods. It means that they use an antibody attached with a certain color, that will turn out positive, when it binds to the antigen. They used two different antigens: The spike protein and the nucleocapsid antigen.
It is the spike protein, that the cells present on their surface and nucleocapsid occur in the virus’s body.
It means that if you have had an infection with Corona, then you have both nucleocapsid and spike protein, because in the virus these spikes occur as well.
But if you only had the injection against COVID-19, not the virus, then it's just spike proteins from the vaccine, that you can see.
Then this coloring is against Nucleocapsid will be negative.
It sounds very simple. But the problem is that many have had covid-19. Therefore, it is really hard to prove that the injections caused the damages.
Nevertheless, if you see the overall picture then you can usually tell with a high probability, that it is related to the vaccines.
JR: So. It’s not a proof, but there can be a high probability, that there is a correlation.
I remember, I had a patient whose tonsil were sent for examination in Reutlingen. This patient had three Pfizer-injections, and later also the virus.
They found positive reaction for the spike protein all the way inside the nuclei of the cells, while the nucleocapsid was found only in the superficial layer of the tonsils.
Could these findings indicate that both the vaccine and the virus were responsible?
UK: It's a bit difficult to answer. I would rather see the sample.
JR: Yes, of course. I understand.
Do you have other organs described in the book?
UK: Yes. We have for example the thyroid gland, pancreas, kidney, adrenal gland, bladder, prostate as well as ovaries and testicles.
We also examined nerves, skeletal muscles, skin. Actually, there were quite a lot of organs or tissues that they examined, which can be seen in the book.
The book is divided into a general part, where you see the typical signs like myocarditis and changes of the blood vessels. And then there is a part describing changes seen in the organs. Finally, there is a description of every case.
JR: Do you have pictures from the microscope of the reproductive organs?
UK: Well, they are in the book.
There are descriptions of the ovaries from the 19-year-old, the girl. Spike proteins were found in the ovaries.
When the spike protein is there, it will induce inflammation in the ovaries.
We also have a picture of testicle of a 29-year-old man. In that age you are supposed to have a lot of sperm in the canaliculi, the cavities, in the testicles. Nevertheless, there was hardly any sperm.
So, the spermatogenesis (production of sperm) was decreased. This is included in the book.
JR: Yes, okay. So, there’s a probability, that it (the vaccine) can affect the fertility at least on short term?
UK: But the (fertility) numbers have already gone down. The birth rate has gone down, after all. The calculations have been done and you can see that the change is significant. Yes it can be connected to this. Absolutely. Yes.
JR: It's not good. No.
Do you have any knowledge of examinations of tissue from living patients?
UK: Yes, they had tissue from living patients examined in Reutlingen.
There was this biopsy from the brain, that I already showed and, additionally, some pieces of skin. In the skin you can see inflammation in the vessels too. In fact, this recurrent inflammation of the vessels is seen everywhere in the body.
In some of the skin biopsies, you notice that the elastic fibers in the deeper layers of the skin had disappeared. This thus indicates that the elasticity of the skin is no longer there.
I don't know if you have noticed this. But I have noticed that people, who have received three, four or five injections, age very quickly in the face. They have got a lot of wrinkles. This can be related with the reduction of elastic fibers.
JR: Okay. That's not good, because the elastic fibers make you have smooth and nice skin and make sure you have a young appearance.
UK: Yes. Precisely.
JR: I understand you plan to translate the book from German to English. When will the English edition be ready?
UK: I'm working on it, and I hope it comes out within a few months. I would also like to do a translation into Swedish, since I have already received many requests.
It takes a lot of time to translate and furthermore it takes time and effort to set up the book for printing. Its costly to print it as well.
I would be very grateful for financial support. That is, if someone who have some money left and wishes this book out into the world.
I would be very grateful for the financial support.
Account information will be shown below.
JR. Your work is very important your and it’s a great gift to the world. I will encourage those who are willing and able among the viewers to consider a donation for this book to be translated into English.
I'd like to send a recommendation of this Atlas to the departments of pathology in Denmark. I have been in contact with them in 2022, because I wanted them to examine the specimens (biopsies) of my patients, suspected of having serious side effects from the vaccine. But none of them could perform this type of examination. That's why I sent tissue samples from my patients to Professor Arne Burkhardt in Reutlingen. Well. I would like to send a recommendation of this book to them in a friendly and collegial manner.
What is your next project now? Will you translate the book?
UK: If we return to the book. There is lots of knowledge of importance for pathologists.
It contains many pictures. It’s important for pathologists to know what the changes in the tissue look like. As a pathologist, its often so that, what you don’t know, you don’t see.
Since I'm a very curious person, I’m always looking around and thinking that, maybe I can find something more.
If there is edema or inflammation in the heart muscle, you must look thoroughly.
Concerning myocarditis, we had a case, a very young man, 21 or 22 years old. He was an elite swimmer, and he was diagnosed with myocarditis. Therefore, he couldn't swim anymore. Swimming was his life. So, he bought a shotgun and shot himself.
Then, they got his organs, in which you can see very small changes in different locations.
The diagnosis had been made within the biopsy. We already knew it was myocarditis.
But by looking at the entire heart, taking many parts, you must search for these typical signs.
And when you do an autopsy, it's important that you open all three body cavities. You must look at the brain, the intestines and other organs, not just a single organ. Quality is very important, when you perform an autopsy.
It’s equally important that you have the correct information from the clinics. You must look into the health records, if the diseased had the COVID-19 vaccines and other treatments prior to the death.
I applied for access to “My Vaccine” program to check for myself, because I often received incorrect information at first hand.
I have introduced this in Kalmar-region to be included in the electronic referral for autopsy of the deceased.
If you have a cracked Aorta, you must take biopsies from the wall. It’s not sufficient just to look with your naked eye.
The use of immunohistochemistry for spike protein and nucleocapsid is demonstrated in pictures in this atlas, for colleagues to recognize. I selected pictures with changes that was very clear and easy to see as well as pictures with barely any changes.
The important thing in all of this is that, in Germany it has emerged, that the COVID-19 vaccines and the entire pandemic management have been political motivated. There was no science behind the decisions.
I think it was in August this year, that files from the Robert Koch Institute (RKI-files) was leaked.
You can compare the Robert Koch Institute to the Public Health Agency of Sweden, who had scientists with knowledge saying “we need no lockdown and no forcing of unvaccinated to get the vaccine. The disease is not that dangerous.”
But the Minister of Health went out with “we must have lockdown” and all.
So, you see there is no science behind it all. In Germany the RKI files have been laid out on the net. You can easily find them. I think there are several thousand pages covering the whole communication of the Robert Koch Institute including mails between the different authorities. Its all out in the open.
It’s just about money, not about people .
That’s why it is important to discover these cases as a pathologist.
JR: Yes. It’s very important. One can imagine that many cases were not subjected to an autopsy. That many died without being examined the proper way.
Personally, I know people, who died of ruptured Aorta. It was in the summer and autumn 2021. I had the suspicion these deceased were not examined with biopsies. Hence you cannot know, if the vaccine could have caused the death in those cases.
UK: Precisely, you must do histology, take tissue samples for microscope, otherwise you can't see those small vessels and the inflammation.
I fear that this regimen with these pandemic measures will return. We must make people understand how the health system works now. You cannot trust the heath authorities anymore.
They said it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated. That was completely nonsense.
JR: I have sent letters to the Minister of Health in Denmark and to the Danish medicines agency asking them detailed questions about these vaccines.
Especially, I know that the manufacturing process was shifted from one process (process 1) to another very different process (process 2) without doing the required phase three randomized trials, after the approval. They (the Danish Medicines Agency) admitted that to me in their answers. They did not object to the change of process. They did not do, what they were hired to do.
UK: They haven't done their job. We just can't trust them. I might add concerning the Medical Products Agency: We are as physicians obliged to report all suspected cases, that are potentially connected to any vaccine or medical product.
I had a lot of cases of breast cancer, so-called turbo cancer, which arose very fast and connected to the injections against covid-19.
Because I reported many cases, I received a call from the medicine agency, an investigator, who listened to what I had to say about this. He found it very interesting that there could be a connection with the vaccines. He would organize a meeting.
I thought “Yes, now something happens” because now someone had to wake up at the Medical Products Agency.
He said “ I must talk with my bosses. We need to have a meeting immediately.
I said “fine, we can do it tomorrow.”
I went home and thought “Finally”.
But the next day I got a short mail saying, “There will be no meeting”. No explanation. They did not want to know.
This is how the health authorities work, paid by our tax money. It's totally sick.
JR: Yes it's sick.
But now I think we are reaching the end.
UK: But you are supposed to ask me about my next project.
JR: Yes, of course. Go on.
UK: I don't know if I've told you, that I have resigned as a pathologist, even though there is a shortage of pathologists. I cannot remain in this system.
JR. I understand. I have also resigned from working as an ear-, nose- and throat specialist. I can’t function in that system neither.
UK: I see no point in diagnosing tumors, that another colleague has possibly caused by injections.
I feel that my work should be meaningful. I want to help people.
So, I've done a lot of training in recent years and has started a private doctor's clinic, working primarily with preventing diseases. I want to be one step ahead of this healthcare.
I look at samples in dark field microscopy, where you can see changes in the blood, that you don't even see in ordinary lab tests.
And soon I'm going to India to finish my one-year Ayurveda training. I’m trying to pick the best knowledge from different disciplines of medicine like traditional Chinese medicine, a little Ayurveda and combine that with my medical education and experience. I consider the Ayurveda training to be the final part of my project.
JR: It is as though us physicians, who don’t want to be part of a system, that poison humans with an injection, must reeducate ourselves - go back to the medical school bench. There seem to be a lot of knowledge, that we missed - or just wasn’t told. I also spent the last two – three years studying more and seeing things from different perspectives.
I guess, that’s what happens, when things go to extremes as we have seen.
UK: Yes exactly. There is much, that we do not know. If you think about the times when we studied to be physicians. There was a strict agenda for us.
But there are so many other things to learn. And it's so much fun.
We can maybe put a link to my website too.
I also take online consultation. It feels like I can follow my heart. It's fun to work with living clients. I get a lot back. It makes sense to work like that.
JR: I suppose that many of our colleagues are burned out, because their work doesn’t make sense anymore. Myself, I had an ENT-clinic, but a lot of illogical, unreasonable guidelines from above was stealing all the time from the patients.
JR: Now. I will thank you very much. It has been very exciting, and we intend put English subtitles.
UK: I would like to give some recommendations to the public as my final words in this interview.
I consider it to be very important, that you reproduce, that you inform yourself. Be active and look for knowledge on your own terms.
Don't be afraid. Especially don't be afraid of getting cancer, just because you got a vaccine. There is a solution to everything. Our bodies are so amazing. You can heal yourself. The attitude means a lot for the support of your body’s own healing power.
I can't cure cancer, but I can help rebalance the body to heal itself.
Put your trust in your immune system. It can fix so much by itself, and it doesn't need any medication. The nature is there. I just work with herbs and natural remedies.
It's very important that we enjoy nature follow our hearts and intuition.
JR: Yes, thank you for giving this very important information. It was a mighty gesture for your part.
In World Council for Health Denmark we have a website, wch-denmark.org
The entire video can be found on that website. In fact, we started a campaign called “food is medicine”. We intend to pass knowledge of how to make your own healthy food from basic, to avoid to many additives with uncertain content. As an example, it's important to get probiotics to keep the right bacteria in the stomach. The microbiome must be in order, because it means a lot for the immune system to function well.
Anyway, thank you very much. With these words I will put an end to this interview.
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